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Winnies Bro · Jun 30, 2009, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Some people are saying that they think that Elona and Cantha will be cut off from the game in GW2 because of what the movement of the world says; this is not true!
What would the point be of cutting off the 2 continents from GW2? i know it says that they are cut off but it is obvious that in GW2 that we will be able to get back there. the stories about palawa joko and the undead dragon of orr are clearly NOT just stories that explain why we ant go back there.
Tyria isnt really the main continent, the others are equally as important!
Yeah i know that we will probably start off on tyria(continent) rather than the other 2.
I saw this on the movement(of the world(just incase youre too stupid to understand what i mean))
This undead armada has cut off all human contact with Cantha, and the dragon’s undead army wages war even now along the northern Elonian border, preventing all in Tyria from departing for other lands...for now.

Free Runner · Jun 30, 2009, 03:38 PM // 15:38

I see a recurring theme here.

Cantha and Elona WILL be cut off from the game in GW2. The stories of the Undead Dragon cutting them off were to show that. You wont be able to get to them just like how you couldnt get to them at the start of GW1. But while they may be cut off for the story of GW2 to begin with , there will no doubt be expansions that open up the other continents one by one.

Winnies Bro · Jun 30, 2009, 03:45 PM // 15:45

What do you think the storyline of guild wars 2 will be about, huh?! they are the main storyline of guild wars 2 they are evil! in gw2 we will be fighting them we will go to orr fight the draconians and somehow defeat the undead dragon! a huge undead dragon rising from the ruins of orr creating undead slaves and cutting of portions of the world is CLEARLY a huge point in the game not just a back story. what else do you think the pve will be about in gw2? lots of things but mainly the dragons! as i said you probably will be starting in tryia but i SERIOUSLY doubt expansions will open them up for exploration.
and what do you mean' i see a recurring theme here???

Konig Des Todes · Jun 30, 2009, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Nothing says the Ancient Dragons are evil. Just to remind you that. We don't know how we will fight them, so you can't say we will maybe the game is just about surviving their attack. Besides, that could just be the Tyrian story - nothing shows them in Cantha and Elona (though I find that idiotic personally, so many large powerful dragons in such a small landmass *at least to them*).

And by recurring theme, I see two themes coming back. The Cantha/Elona thing has been brought up before, and you're making threads with little point to them.

Closing as there is little to discuss. Cantha and Elona will be cut off by all information we have. Though it is possible that will be changed in game or after the first GW2.

Antares Ascending · Jun 30, 2009, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Just to respond to what may be just how we interpret things. Quote below.

Nothing says the Ancient Dragons are evil. Just to remind you that. We don't know how we will fight them, so you can't say we will maybe the game is just about surviving their attack. Besides, that could just be the Tyrian story - nothing shows them in Cantha and Elona (though I find that idiotic personally, so many large powerful dragons in such a small landmass *at least to them*).

And by recurring theme, I see two themes coming back. The Cantha/Elona thing has been brought up before, and you're making threads with little point to them.

Closing as there is little to discuss. Cantha and Elona will be cut off by all information we have. Though it is possible that will be changed in game or after the first GW2.

To reply:

Yes, Cantha and Elonia will be cut off...by...? Bad guys! I think that opens a whole new area to re-explore and take back. It just wouldn't make sense to dump them cause bad guys are just to ...well, bad for a mere mortal to have any chance. I sense a challenge.

Dont Nerf The Perma · Jun 30, 2009, 06:34 PM // 18:34

Cantha doesn't have any bad guys, its just at the time the emperor does not want any outsiders in Cantha.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 30, 2009, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Your reply is just what I said, except you deem Joko and the Dragon Empire to be villians in GW2. Going to merge this thread into the close, and since there are thoughts, re-open, despite the fact being that initially the continents will be closed off, but still existent and may be re-opened in later games, which is what I said.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jun 30, 2009, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Cantha is closed off because it is WWII Germany, and Elona is closed off because it is over run with undead.

Nodakim · Jun 30, 2009, 07:05 PM // 19:05

Why do you guys think we will be in Tyria?
Or at least the part of Tyria we know?
Well,I think they will try to add some new areas in Tyria instead of Cantha and Elona(which are maybe not cut off because of the portals).Well its likely we will discover the southern-non destroyed parts of Ascalon and the North-western parts of Tyria.
Also the thing about Cantha being cut off because of the Empreror isnt realy meaning anything,as much as I know they never were fond of foreginers....except when they are about to get their heads lost.
Also Elona being filled with undead isnt meaning anything,even the opposite,dont heroes go where trouble is?
Ascalon is also under Undead and we still will probably be there with out chars destroying some bones.
*twisted*

Konig Des Todes · Jun 30, 2009, 07:08 PM // 19:08

Winnies, I deleted your post just now due to inappropriate behavior. I may be a little trigger happy on threads that have little point to them (seriously, you're going against canon lore here...) but I re-opened your thread due to it having some discussion desired to it. So no need to go insulting me.

If you do, you can and most likely will be banned for inappropriate behavior. About your old threads, I told you that if you want them re-opened, PM me *or heck, start a new thread* with information that would contribute to discussion. You have yet to do that, and you complain that I close your thread(s). And no, theories that go against canon lore do not count, as you'd just get your theory poked full of holes by myself and others (and much more seriously if you were at GWO).

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Originally Posted by Nodakim

Why do you guys think we will be in Tyria?
Or at least the part of Tyria we know?
Well,I think they will try to add some new areas in Tyria instead of Cantha and Elona(which are maybe not cut off because of the portals).Well its likely we will discover the southern-non destroyed parts of Ascalon and the North-western parts of Tyria.
Also the thing about Cantha being cut off because of the Empreror isnt realy meaning anything,as much as I know they never were fond of foreginers....except when they are about to get their heads lost.
Also Elona being filled with undead isnt meaning anything,even the opposite,dont heroes go where trouble is?
Ascalon is also under Undead and we still will probably be there with out chars destroying some bones.
*twisted*

Four words: Movement of the World. We know what races we can play as and they all live in Tyria, according to the Movement, they have not moved out of the continent.

And why Cantha and Elona are cut off, is not because of just because of the Empire/Joko, but also because of the Undead Dragon in Orr and the Strait of Malchor (blocks access to Cantha) and the Desert Dragon north of Joko's forces (which blocks access to Elona).

Free Runner · Jun 30, 2009, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

What do you think the storyline of guild wars 2 will be about, huh?! they are the main storyline of guild wars 2 they are evil! in gw2 we will be fighting them we will go to orr fight the draconians and somehow defeat the undead dragon! a huge undead dragon rising from the ruins of orr creating undead slaves and cutting of portions of the world is CLEARLY a huge point in the game not just a back story. what else do you think the pve will be about in gw2? lots of things but mainly the dragons! as i said you probably will be starting in tryia but i SERIOUSLY doubt expansions will open them up for exploration.
and what do you mean' i see a recurring theme here???

What are you talking about?

I never said the Dragons wouldnt be a huge plot in GW2. I said that Cantha and Elona will not be open at the start and will more than likely be included in expansions. Its stupid to think ArenaNet would include all 3 continents in the base game which has no monthly fees.

Expansions are the way to go which is why Anet told us very openly in the Movement of the World that there are problems stopping people from getting to Cantha and Elona so someone needs to take care of those problems before even thinking about leaving Tyria.

Cantha has been cut off but was last seen throwing non humans out, under the rule of a very dangerous sounding Emperor. This emperor took out two of the factions that had been fighting non stop for over 300 or so years in a land that had been ravaged by a magical wind.

Elona is now under the rule of an Undead Lord who converted most members of the lands best fighters into a dark order. A group of agents who have been protecting Elona for years are trying their best against this undead lord while spreading news of the dragons. And its cut off by undead.

Thats just some of the base story of Cantha and Elona in GW2 and its already expansion worthy.

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Why do you guys think we will be in Tyria?

Because GW2 takes place in Tyria?

Winnies Bro · Jun 30, 2009, 07:25 PM // 19:25

im just annoyed because some people seem to have the idea that cantha and elona will either be cut off or have a small part in the game.
btw i didnt think about releasing them into expansions cos of money i forgot. but but i seriously doubt that the main game would only take part in tyria.

Dorny · Jun 30, 2009, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Rather than creating all sorts of hypothesis on what we dont know, or only know very little, why not just wait until GW2 comes out, discover, and be happy with what we get, rather than grumbling about what we didnt get?

Im sure the people behind the scenes know what they are doing, and I believe they will do a good job at it.

Winnies Bro · Jun 30, 2009, 07:28 PM // 19:28

i doubt that they will need to make such a large part of the game as an expansion.
it just seems like you just feel that cantha and elona and there storylines are small and more of a side story, which IS NOT TRUE. tyria is a world not just a continent, anet know that and they are not going to practicaly forget about the importancy of cantha and elona!

Dorny, as for the first thing, that would be boring and i like to explain to people why i am right and they are wrong and dumb, muhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah, ect!!!!
as for the secod thing, you are right, they know what they are doing and they know that cantha and elona are important and shallnever be forgotten!!!

Konig Des Todes · Jun 30, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Dorny, I agree. Speculation on GW2 lore is... spiffy at best. It's not something a serious thoughtful debate can be done (which is why I've been trigger happy with Winnies' threads >_>)

And Winnies, there is a high likeliness that there will be even more continents as well as Cantha and Elona. Or they do drop Cantha and Elona in favor for other continents for a long while. Also, importancy of Cantha and Elona? Then what about the importancy of the continent of Utopia? What about the importancy of the Rift and Mists? Of Underworld, Hall of Heroes, of the Fissure of Woe. Of the Realm of Torment?

Getting my point? If not, it is this: The game is much much more bigger than three continents. I will not be surprised if they are removed/shortened in favor of previously unexplored lands.

Afterall, only to non-humans would the Empire of the Dragon be seen as evil. And Joko has been seen as a favored guy, most players would probably not like fighting him. :P

And Free Runner, the Kurzicks/Luxons have been fighting since the second emperor, which would be about 2,000 years. Much longer than 300.

(For Winnies who has been questioning me, that info is gained from An Empire Divided which can be found in the Archives *4th post, iirc*)

Nodakim · Jun 30, 2009, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Winnies, I deleted your post just now due to inappropriate behavior. I may be a little trigger happy on threads that have little point to them (seriously, you're going against canon lore here...) but I re-opened your thread due to it having some discussion desired to it. So no need to go insulting me.

If you do, you can and most likely will be banned for inappropriate behavior. About your old threads, I told you that if you want them re-opened, PM me *or heck, start a new thread* with information that would contribute to discussion. You have yet to do that, and you complain that I close your thread(s). And no, theories that go against canon lore do not count, as you'd just get your theory poked full of holes by myself and others (and much more seriously if you were at GWO).

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Four words: Movement of the World. We know what races we can play as and they all live in Tyria, according to the Movement, they have not moved out of the continent.

And why Cantha and Elona are cut off, is not because of just because of the Empire/Joko, but also because of the Undead Dragon in Orr and the Strait of Malchor (blocks access to Cantha) and the Desert Dragon north of Joko's forces (which blocks access to Elona).

And thats the next thing,we dont know for sure are they evil,so they may even grant as access to there?
Also,being evil also isnt realy a black and white story in GW,its more like the guys in power are good,and the guys seeking for power are evil.(except the Demons,that fortune women who corrupted Shiro(but the was actualy good before he met here))
I also its possible there will be friendly and enemy dragons,because we all know Primordus will be our enemy.The same thing was with the Dwarfs.(Stone Summit and Deldrimor dwarfs)
Dredge,Centaur also are unknown.
The dragons are the classical evil/bad,its just that we may have the same interest and cant live with each other.

Winnies Bro · Jun 30, 2009, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Dorny, I agree. Speculation on GW2 lore is... spiffy at best. It's not something a serious thoughtful debate can be done (which is why I've been trigger happy with Winnies' threads >_>)

And Winnies, there is a high likeliness that there will be even more continents as well as Cantha and Elona. Or they do drop Cantha and Elona in favor for other continents for a long while. Also, importancy of Cantha and Elona? Then what about the importancy of the continent of Utopia? What about the importancy of the Rift and Mists? Of Underworld, Hall of Heroes, of the Fissure of Woe. Of the Realm of Torment?

Getting my point? If not, it is this: The game is much much more bigger than three continents. I will not be surprised if they are removed/shortened in favor of previously unexplored lands.

Afterall, only to non-humans would the Empire of the Dragon be seen as evil. And Joko has been seen as a favored guy, most players would probably not like fighting him. :P

And Free Runner, the Kurzicks/Luxons have been fighting since the second emperor, which would be about 2,000 years. Much longer than 300.

(For Winnies who has been questioning me, that info is gained from An Empire Divided which can be found in the Archives *4th post, iirc*)

You have no right close all threads with GW2 ideas!!!!
I know that there will be more continents and areas but arenanet wont take them out or shorten them, i doubt that they would just go' right, weve seen cantha and elona, lets make a story to make them inaccessable or just shrink them so that we can shove new stuff in'
i want new continents, i want new areas, but i DONT WANT cantha and elona to be romoved or shrunk!

Free Runner · Jun 30, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

i doubt that they will need to make such a large part of the game as an expansion.
it just seems like you just feel that cantha and elona and there storylines are small and more of a side story, which IS NOT TRUE. tyria is a world not just a continent, anet know that and they are not going to practicaly forget about the importancy of cantha and elona!

I dont think your reading anything i say. Only zoning to bits and pieces and spelling out things that arent there. Cantha and Elona are important. They make up 2/3 of the current GW world. But the continent of Tyria is more important than them in terms of which to start off on. It served as the base from which guild wars built its story off.

Look here: Anet are making a brand new guild wars set in the same world. They have to begin the story on a continent. Between Tyria, Cantha and Elona the most logical one to start off on would be Tyria which is the foundation of the GW world (and most of the important lore emits from Tyria). Its doubtful Anet would release GW2 with all continents in place. That would be a huge game - it took 3 years to complete the world of Guild Wars and GW2 is no doubt going to be bigger.

So the most logical thing to do would be expand the storys in expansions - like how they revealed Cantha and Elona is GW1 only without the stand alone parts. That gets them money, means they dont have to create an overflowing game plus it doesnt throw all the stories at us at once. But they need a reason for us not getting to Cantha and Elona right off the bat. So they "closed" them off with hints at how if the problems (Undead Dragon, Sea Dragon) were dealt with there would be nothing stopping us getting to the other continents and exploring them.

So to put it in short - Cantha and Elona are not getting forgotten. They wont be small side stories. It will no doubt be something like the campaign system, albiet adapted to GW2. Reintroduce us to the continents piece by piece.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 30, 2009, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

You have no right close all threads with GW2 ideas!!!!
I know that there will be more continents and areas but arenanet wont take them out or shorten them, i doubt that they would just go' right, weve seen cantha and elona, lets make a story to make them inaccessable or just shrink them so that we can shove new stuff in'
i want new continents, i want new areas, but i DONT WANT cantha and elona to be romoved or shrunk!

I never said I did. I said that I find threads speculating on GW2 pointless at this point. Almost every angle has been thought of already on what we know. Any old lorist will say that. And you have no right to say anet will do something or won't do something, nor do you have the right to insult me.

Free Runner is right, you only take parts you want to read and putting in what you want others to "say". Which is highly evident in your PMs to me.

Anyways, my laptop battery is dying. Behave yourself children.

Free Runner · Jul 01, 2009, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

And Free Runner, the Kurzicks/Luxons have been fighting since the second emperor, which would be about 2,000 years. Much longer than 300.

(For Winnies who has been questioning me, that info is gained from An Empire Divided which can be found in the Archives *4th post, iirc*)

I cant remember but didnt they stop at one point and then carry on after the emperors death? (which caused the second one) because i was only counting from the emperors death to around when the new emperor appears. Though i'm not sure if i took the "they stopped" bit out of that Factiosn guide i love to hate.